Comments on: SoC :: Ribbons :: Summary http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/ Me := C99 + C# + (Iron)Ruby + (Iron)Python + BSD + Arch Linux + GNOME + Algorithmic + A.I. Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:43:57 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: debackerl http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-330 debackerl Tue, 13 May 2008 10:56:56 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-330 22 years old 22 years old

]]> By: ketty http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-329 ketty Tue, 13 May 2008 10:43:59 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-329 how old are you laurent? how old are you laurent?

]]> By: debackerl http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-241 debackerl Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:50:05 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-241 Could you please tell me about what you do not agree? It is a bit point less otherwise :) Laurent. Could you please tell me about what you do not agree?
It is a bit point less otherwise :)

Laurent.

]]> By: Idetrorce http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-240 Idetrorce Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:08:41 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-240 very interesting, but I don't agree with you Idetrorce very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
Idetrorce

]]> By: debackerl http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-61 debackerl Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:02:02 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-61 This looks definitely interesting Mathias. I will look at this ASAP. This looks definitely interesting Mathias. I will look at this ASAP.

]]> By: Mathias Hasselmann http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-60 Mathias Hasselmann Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:38:26 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-60 <q cite="debackerl">In addition to the transparency problem with Gtk, I have also experienced troubles because Gtk does not seem to support size negotiations between a container in its children.</q> Did you look at my extended layout work? http://live.gnome.org/MathiasHasselmann/NewLayoutManager http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtk+/branches/extended-layout/ http://taschenorakel.de/tags/extendedlayout/ In addition to the transparency problem with Gtk, I have also experienced troubles because Gtk does not seem to support size negotiations between a container in its children.

Did you look at my extended layout work?
http://live.gnome.org/MathiasHasselmann/NewLayoutManager
http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtk+/branches/extended-layout/
http://taschenorakel.de/tags/extendedlayout/

]]> By: debackerl http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-59 debackerl Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:11:23 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-59 This is hard to say, in my opinion a ribbon is just a notebook (tab) containing frames containing icons in a flow layout, but with an über cool theme, and some tricks such a the gallery, the expand button in the 'frames', etc. In addition, I have read that Microsoft did not want people to used the ribbon to develop word processors, and spreadsheets. On the other side, I have no idea whether I have no idea whether they spoked about their own implementation, or the concept. You will have to google for this :( However, to avoid such problems, the API of the library has been developed from scratch. I have never read the API from Microsoft. The objective being to be as original as possible. So I would say that it is possible that the design has been patented, I have no idea. You should ask Miguel for this, but I suppose that the Open Innovation Network could protect us if Microsoft decided to attack. Finally, you should not that the library is made of the individual parts. So if the ribbon would be patented, it is quite possible that only applications would be vulnerable because they would put the parts together to build a ribbon. So the library could be in danger if the design of individual components have been patented (only possible for the RibbonGroup and gallery), and if the OIN could not protect it. An application could be in danger if the concept of ribbon has been patented, and if the OIN or the corporation behind the application could not protect it. This is hard to say, in my opinion a ribbon is just a notebook (tab) containing frames containing icons in a flow layout, but with an über cool theme, and some tricks such a the gallery, the expand button in the ‘frames’, etc.

In addition, I have read that Microsoft did not want people to used the ribbon to develop word processors, and spreadsheets. On the other side, I have no idea whether I have no idea whether they spoked about their own implementation, or the concept. You will have to google for this :(

However, to avoid such problems, the API of the library has been developed from scratch. I have never read the API from Microsoft. The objective being to be as original as possible.

So I would say that it is possible that the design has been patented, I have no idea. You should ask Miguel for this, but I suppose that the Open Innovation Network could protect us if Microsoft decided to attack.

Finally, you should not that the library is made of the individual parts. So if the ribbon would be patented, it is quite possible that only applications would be vulnerable because they would put the parts together to build a ribbon.

So the library could be in danger if the design of individual components have been patented (only possible for the RibbonGroup and gallery), and if the OIN could not protect it.

An application could be in danger if the concept of ribbon has been patented, and if the OIN or the corporation behind the application could not protect it.

]]> By: glandium http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-58 glandium Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:09:34 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-58 Isn't it something likely to be slapped by microsoft with patent claims ? Isn’t it something likely to be slapped by microsoft with patent claims ?

]]> By: debackerl http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-56 debackerl Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:24:18 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-56 Thanks for your comments! :) Here are responses to your questions: I plan to at least maintain the code from a stability point of view. I will also accept features patches. New features of my own will arrive if/as time permits during my studies. In addition, I think that I would like to help Mono Olive to support the WPF in the future, but it really depends on my studies. I'm not against the merge of my library with Gtk#. However I do not know if the Gtk# guys want to maintain a strict Gtk+ binding, or an extended one. I made a screencast in my previous post. You can consult it at http://mono-soc-2007.googlegroups.com/web/Ribbons-final.ogg (The Instanbul screencaster could not record in a better resolution). Laurent. Thanks for your comments! :) Here are responses to your questions:

I plan to at least maintain the code from a stability point of view. I will also accept features patches. New features of my own will arrive if/as time permits during my studies. In addition, I think that I would like to help Mono Olive to support the WPF in the future, but it really depends on my studies.

I’m not against the merge of my library with Gtk#. However I do not know if the Gtk# guys want to maintain a strict Gtk+ binding, or an extended one.

I made a screencast in my previous post. You can consult it at http://mono-soc-2007.googlegroups.com/web/Ribbons-final.ogg (The Instanbul screencaster could not record in a better resolution).

Laurent.

]]> By: Miguel de Icaza http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-54 Miguel de Icaza Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:24:52 +0000 http://debackerl.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/soc-ribbons-summary/#comment-54 Hey! Do you think you would be able to do a screencast of all the cool features in this widget? Miguel. Hey!

Do you think you would be able to do a screencast of all the cool features in this widget?

Miguel.

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